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Sharathv	What's In a Face #1: George W. Bush Apr 22 2009, 5:11 PM EDT What does everyone think of the analyisis? Quote & reply Post reply 3 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: Gerorge W. Bush What's In a Face #1 (edit keyword tags)
NathanFinch	1. RE: What's In a Face #1: George W. Bush May 27 2009, 7:59 PM EDT i slightly disagree with the horizontal lips as there is a slight drooping at the corners which indicates sadness, the combination of all the signs clearly indicate regret of some sort of releasing this decision Quote & reply Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
geredk	2. RE: What's In a Face #1: George W. Bush Aug 28 2009, 4:49 AM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 28 2009, 4:51 AM EDT "What does everyone think of the analyisis? " * "His eyebrows are raised and slightly pulled together which suggest fear." 1) I think it's not a microexpression, Bush had those "fear" eyebrows through his whole speech which was his attempt to show concern and sincerity. Also, if there was fear it would have been reasonable considering his announcment. * "The lips are stretched horizontally which is indicative of anger." 2) The lips being angry is possible, but for a microexpression to matter it has to be contextual with what is spoken right? * "The brow is wrinkled which could mean extreme concentration, surprise, or discomfort." 3) I would buy extreme concentration, or discomfort. Wouldn't you? From Bush? * "Bush's posture is also very interesting. The shoulders are drawn up and tense, which may suggest nervousness. The folded hands support this, as they serve to try and draw attention away from the awkwardly psoed shoulders." 4) Bush is a simple man with a family name that is too much for him to handle. Any public action as a new president would require significant forbearance for him. He got better at belonging in office as he went along. Or at least, acting like it. Or at least had insouciance enough to play it off. Point is I see no reason to take that snapshot as deceptive. Maybe he lied, but we can't see it from that image.- Quote & reply Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Posted Anonymously	3. RE: What's In a Face #1: George W. Bush Oct 7 2009, 8:28 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 7 2009, 8:28 AM EDT If that's the best you can do, then the whole concept is worthless. Quote & reply Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Posted Anonymously	4. RE: What's In a Face #1: George W. Bush Oct 7 2009, 3:22 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 7 2009, 3:22 PM EDT Well no Not worthless, but difficult to do with a picture. In the show they show a bunch of snapshots of people who we HAVE context for their expressions. But that is not to say that without the context we could do anything but identify that something appears to be an expression. In a snapshot, without the story of what is happening that would be impossible to be sure that you are accurate. So, I went and looked at the bush speech and in my opinion the Bush analysis from the snapshot was wrong for the most part. It was, for starters, mostly not a microexpression, which, by definition means that someone is hiding their emotions and the microexpression is a glimpse at the truth. That does not hold true in the speech at all. He has most of those expressions the whole time. It is possible that the posture is an indicator, but I believe it is intentional posturing. Listen, I hated bush, but I think the person who wrote this evaluation also hated Bush and let their dislike cloud their judgment. It's easy to find microexpressions and posture indicators when you are already looking for them. For this to really work you have to strive for objectivity. Quote & reply Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
geredk	5. RE: What's In a Face #1: George W. Bush Oct 7 2009, 3:25 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 7 2009, 3:25 PM EDT "If that's the best you can do, then the whole concept is worthless." That last post was from me, sorry about the repost.... Well no Not worthless, but difficult to do with a picture. In the show they show a bunch of snapshots of people who we HAVE context for their expressions. But that is not to say that without the context we could do anything but identify that something appears to be an expression. In a snapshot, without the story of what is happening that would be impossible to be sure that you are accurate. So, I went and looked at the bush speech and in my opinion the Bush analysis from the snapshot was wrong for the most part. It was, for starters, mostly not a microexpression, which, by definition means that someone is hiding their emotions and the microexpression is a glimpse at the truth. That does not hold true in the speech at all. He has most of those expressions the whole time. It is possible that the posture is an indicator, but I believe it is intentional posturing. Listen, I hated bush, but I think the person who wrote this evaluation also hated Bush and let their dislike cloud their judgment. It's easy to find microexpressions and posture indicators when you are already looking for them. For this to really work you have to strive for objectivity. Quote & reply Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Julie_F_S	6. RE: What's In a Face #1: George W. Bush Oct 31 2009, 7:36 PM EDT LOL! You know I just came in here to add a couple of things. It's not just Bush's mannerisms that were strange (and I am sure some of them were baseline) but he was reading something that was written for him all the time except just a few and you can tell by looking at those exchanges between Bush and his audience (no matter who they were) that he had so little confidence in himself in general. Sure there are snapshots they use in LTM for many people who are famous that match the expressions of those actors on the show, but all in all you have to realize that when watching a whole speech or conversation you aren't going to get lies all the time. I also have to say that picking GWB out of all the famous people they have shown snapshots to show the mirrored expressions of the actors on the show, is priceless! Quote & reply Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Posted Anonymously	7. RE: What's In a Face #1: George W. Bush Jul 24 2010, 7:54 AM EDT i think the eyes are suggesting fear because he is worried about announcing another war to the world. The lips i disagree with, they look like they are drooping slighlty at the sides which indicates sadness, sadness at the idea of the death and damage the war is going to cause. This is also why his brow is wrinkled, as he is uncomfortable at the idea of what he is announcing, and what the consequences of his announcement are going to be. His shoulders show that he is trying to show confidence and assure people about what he is saying, however it disagrees with what his face says. He is nervous, and the hands show this, with the clasping together in front of his body. He clearly regrets the announcement he is making, and is worried about people asking about the causes for the war. Hope thats right ;) Chris Quote & reply Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Posted Anonymously	8. RE: What's In a Face #1: George W. Bush May 11 2011, 12:56 PM EDT I feel that his lips show more of contempt than of anger.... (i think the conspiracy has some truth to it.) Quote & reply Post reply Do you find this valuable?